As the first General Counsel of M Financial Group, Cheryl Tobin oversees all legal, corporate compliance and corporate governance matters for the company. She is also responsible for strengthening M’s government affairs capabilities. Here, in conversation with host MC Sungaila, Cheryl takes us across her interesting career journey—from law school to the insurance industry, and a longstanding in-house role at market leader Pacific Life. She shares the many opportunities that helped her grow professionally, including taking on a new role building an in-house legal department.

In this episode, Justice Carol D. Codrington, the first African American justice on California's Fourth District Court of Appeal, shares her unique career trajectory, starting with being a litigator and a lawyer and moving up to her current position. She takes us deep behind the scenes of what goes into being a judge, sharing challenges and advice for students and lawyers on the process of opinion and brief writing as well as oral arguments.

The law is often seen as impartial but cold. One way that practitioners are bridging the gap between the law and people is through empathy and understanding. In this episode, MC Sungaila discusses human interaction and the law with Kim Hardeman. She is a Partner at Lederer Weston Craig PLC, and made her mark in civil litigation. She traces her career and helps us understand why the human touch is important in law and why women are assets on any legal team. Want to know more about women in the field of law? Then this episode is for you.